Jem Bendell is a professor of sustainability leadership at the University of Cumbria, UK. He is founder of the Deep Adaptation Forum, an online monthly conversation about how to prepare for what Bendell considers as a very likely collapse of industrial civilization.
Joanna Macy is a scholar of Buddhism, systems thinking and deep ecology and a respected voice in movements for peace, justice, and ecology.
In the summer of 2018 Prof. Bendell completed the paper entitled Deep Adaptation: A Map for Navigating Climate Tragedy. It was rejected for publication by reviewers of an academic journal.
Bendell refused to make changes to satisfy academia and published on the internet. There the paper has gone around the world. He has become an important voice among Extinction Rebellion, the School Strike movement, the Sunrise movement and individual thinkers who offer insight and support in the worsening climate crisis.
Joanna Macy is author and co-author of 13 books, among them Active Hope: How to Face the Mess We’re In Without Going Crazy and Coming Back to Life: The Updated Guide to the Work That Reconnects and translations of the poet Rainer Maria Rilke. She joined the conversation from her home in Berkeley, CA. where she had just celebrated her 90th birthday.
See the 50 minute conversation on Youtube
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1wUY6945kY>
Joanna Macy’s website is at <https://www.joannamacy.net/>
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